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11: Sam Harris - Fighting with Friends (view source)
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Not all that interesting to me. And so, when you see someone captivated by that, like this is like life is going great because I'm 60 and she's 20. Right? Like that's the one variable that... | Not all that interesting to me. And so, when you see someone captivated by that, like this is like life is going great because I'm 60 and she's 20. Right? Like that's the one variable that... | ||
'''Eric:''' 00:54:08 We're talking about | '''Eric:''' 00:54:08 We're talking about his Lamborghini, all the time. | ||
'''Sam:''' 00:54:11 Exactly, you've, you know, you've bored me already. But I had no more insight into him than that. | '''Sam:''' 00:54:11 Exactly, you've, you know, you've bored me already. But I had no more insight into him than that. | ||
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'''Eric''' You know, so mine was at his house, right. I'm ushered into a waiting room. He's got some super complicated electronical electronic art. I get up, I look at it and I say, wait, is that, is that a camera inside the art? I, the first thing, I'm a genius for finding the cameras. I inside, my next thought is I'm supposed to find the camera inside the art because the cam, the art is supposed to draw my attention and I'm supposed to see that I'm being recorded. | '''Eric''' You know, so mine was at his house, right. I'm ushered into a waiting room. He's got some super complicated electronical electronic art. I get up, I look at it and I say, wait, is that, is that a camera inside the art? I, the first thing, I'm a genius for finding the cameras. I inside, my next thought is I'm supposed to find the camera inside the art because the cam, the art is supposed to draw my attention and I'm supposed to see that I'm being recorded. | ||
I'm called out to a room and back with a huge long, it's sort of exaggerated dining table with a giant American flag as its tablecloth, so that any food or drink that is served on it may spill onto an American flag. And I'm just in high alert, like, fuck you. Who, who, who are you? And he comes in and he's got this attractive, again over probably 22, 23-year-old woman. I think she's introduced as an heiress or something and he's bouncing her on his knee in order to get my attention. There's some other guy who says nothing during the meeting. I have no idea what he was doing there. | I'm called out to a room and back with a huge long, it's sort of exaggerated dining table with a giant American flag as its tablecloth, so that any food or drink that is served on it may spill onto an American flag. And I'm just in high alert, like, fuck you. Who, who, who are you? | ||
And he comes in and he's got this attractive, again over probably 22, 23-year-old woman. I think she's introduced as an heiress or something and he's bouncing her on his knee in order to get my attention. There's some other guy who says nothing during the meeting. I have no idea what he was doing there. | |||
'''Sam:''' 00:55:39 And I think I, one detail I'd like to add here, in defense of the many people and the many scientists who are in this guy's orbit and who didn't know how unseemly his life actually was some of these young women who you'd meet in his company were not just, you know, bimbos or strippers or that some of these people were going to medical school and there's like, these were like smart young women. | '''Sam:''' 00:55:39 And I think I, one detail I'd like to add here, in defense of the many people and the many scientists who are in this guy's orbit and who didn't know how unseemly his life actually was some of these young women who you'd meet in his company were not just, you know, bimbos or strippers or that some of these people were going to medical school and there's like, these were like smart young women. | ||
'''Eric:''' 00:56:05 No, no, this is incredibly important distinction | '''Eric:''' 00:56:05 No, no, this is incredibly important distinction and I don't think that the news media has done a good job of teasing out. It's very attached to the idea of pedophile Island and Lolita Express. And that lazy, sensationalist journalism is crowding something out, which is that in general from what I understand, so, I met him in 2000, I think 2004, maybe 2003 but before his Florida incarceration and charges, most people that I knew who met him met him with young adult women. And so, my theory is that he was constructed to be the sapiosexual Hugh Hefner. | ||
'''Sam''' Right. And that they stupidly hired probably, and I guess I don't know this Humbert Humbert for the role and that, that dichotomy explains at least a lot of the initial willingness of the science community to play with this person. That, I mean, I'll be honest, I'm not particularly judgmental about consenting adults, even if it's probably ill-advised. You know, to have a 50-year spread between two people. If somebody is 20 and somebody who's 80 ... | |||
'''Sam:''' 00:57:15 There's just, it's a completely different thing is it's very easy to see that if you've seen this guy be sort of the womanizing schmuck, right within the bounds of, you know, total legality and he's surrounded by 20 year olds and you know, he's got a 40 year... | |||
'''Eric''' Everybody's party to the game. | |||
'''Sam''' You would never, you would never suspect this other thing about him. Right. Okay. | |||
'''Eric:''' 00:57:35 That is not a fair defense after the Florida situation, the Florida situation changes that structure. | |||
'''Sam:''' 00:57: | '''Sam:''' 00:57:44 You mean his, his prosecution or Miami Herald thing? They came out like a, a year ago. | ||
'''Eric:''' 00:57: | '''Eric:''' 00:57:51 No, no, no. The prosecution. | ||
'''Sam | '''Sam''' Right. | ||
'''Eric | '''Eric''' So, a lot of people continued to talk to him in part because, and I think this is something that hasn't been teased out, he was supporting an older style of science, which this is again, something that's gonna be super complicated, was much more disagreeable. Now the woke movement has seized on this as well, that's the cowboy oppressive science of male assholes. But he was supporting a network of people who might not have been supported otherwise to somewhat break out of the mold. And because the U S government had stepped away from that work in, in, in large measure, in my opinion, people were so dependent on him that they were eager to look the other way. And there was also the hint, I think that this wasn't really Jeffrey Epstein, that this was really something else funding. | ||
'''Sam:''' 00:58:48 Hmm. Well, I dunno about that. I mean, I, I think the, the relative penury of science is a corrupting variable and the fact that we, we underfund science and that it matters that when the rich guy comes into the room, right to, to scientists because they're so | '''Sam:''' 00:58:48 Hmm. Well, I dunno about that. I mean, I, I think the, the relative penury of science is a corrupting variable and the fact that we, we underfund science and that it matters that when the rich guy comes into the room, right to, to scientists because they're so starved for money, that's just, that's just corrupting. | ||
'''Eric:''' 00:59:09 Look, this is, I, I've been on this, this is going to get us into the immigration question, which is that the in the mid-eighties, under Reagan, the science complex particularly the national science foundation under Eric block through the national Academy of sciences and a subdivision called the government university industry research round table GUI are conspired to destroy the bargaining power of American scientists by flooding the market. And what they did is they did an economic analysis with both supply and demand curves to say that the wages, which you can calculate when you have two intersecting curves, we're going to go above six figures for new PhDs and then let's get a lot in Indians in here. And well, it's four, it was four countries. It was China, India, Taiwan and Korea. And China went from zero to 60 in like, no, they were sending us nobody. | '''Eric:''' 00:59:09 Look, this is, I, I've been on this, this is going to get us into the immigration question, which is that the in the mid-eighties, under Reagan, the science complex particularly the national science foundation under Eric block through the national Academy of sciences and a subdivision called the government university industry research round table GUI are conspired to destroy the bargaining power of American scientists by flooding the market. And what they did is they did an economic analysis with both supply and demand curves to say that the wages, which you can calculate when you have two intersecting curves, we're going to go above six figures for new PhDs and then let's get a lot in Indians in here. And well, it's four, it was four countries. It was China, India, Taiwan and Korea. And China went from zero to 60 in like, no, they were sending us nobody. | ||