Episode 25 VTT File

00:00:00.690 --> 00:00:03.300 Eric Weinstein: Hello, this is Eric with a few notes on today's release.

00:00:03.390 --> 00:00:06.720 This was recorded over half a year ago, and I've sat on it because I didn't want

00:00:06.720 --> 00:00:07.230 to release it.

00:00:07.860 --> 00:00:11.100 I had hoped that the story it discusses would have been followed up by others as I

00:00:11.100 --> 00:00:12.540 never wanted to be entangled with it.

00:00:12.990 --> 00:00:15.090 Instead, that story has barely moved.

00:00:15.090 --> 00:00:18.600 For some reason, there is no one capable within the world of institutional media or

00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:21.090 government of moving this enormous story forward.

00:00:21.090 --> 00:00:25.740 Despite worldwide interest, I've elsewhere named that unseen force the disk or

00:00:25.740 --> 00:00:27.840 distributed ideas suppression complex.

00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:33.250 What I see when watching this video of the episode in question is a frightened 53

00:00:33.250 --> 00:00:37.510 year old man in an unscripted and perhaps occasionally rambling hour of discussion

00:00:37.510 --> 00:00:38.290 of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:00:38.950 --> 00:00:42.640 He doesn't exactly know how to say what he has got to get across, but perhaps that is

00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:44.740 because he isn't simply a middle aged man at all.

00:00:45.430 --> 00:00:49.570 When I look closer, I see a terrified 10 or 11 year old boy who many years ago was

00:00:49.570 --> 00:00:50.710 sent with therapist.

00:00:51.190 --> 00:00:53.640 Why was that child so terrified of going to see a therapist?

00:00:53.650 --> 00:00:54.130 You may ask.

00:00:54.495 --> 00:00:58.365 Well because of inappropriate events set in motion by the therapist's behavior at

00:00:58.365 --> 00:00:59.625 the first of their two meetings.

00:01:00.405 --> 00:01:02.835 That however, was not what caused the lasting terror.

00:01:03.225 --> 00:01:06.855 Despite the therapist being a trained and established authority figure and the boy

00:01:06.855 --> 00:01:11.655 being a minor, it was possible for the boy to simply and firmly say, no, I do not

00:01:11.655 --> 00:01:12.075 want that.

00:01:12.105 --> 00:01:12.915 You must stop.

00:01:13.515 --> 00:01:15.105 Thus, the boy is not a survivor.

00:01:15.380 --> 00:01:19.970 He was not a victim and he did not want a random broken person to be integrated into

00:01:19.970 --> 00:01:20.690 his life story.

00:01:21.260 --> 00:01:25.010 Today, the man in that chair addressing the camera is simply the man that became

00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.670 of an unlucky boy who was sent to see a professionally licensed therapist who

00:01:28.670 --> 00:01:29.570 crossed his path.

00:01:31.010 --> 00:01:34.580 What was terrifying instead was that when I explained that I did not ever wish to go

00:01:34.580 --> 00:01:38.930 back to that curse it office, I was forced against my will and with a good amount of

00:01:38.930 --> 00:01:39.650 screaming and terror.

00:01:39.650 --> 00:01:41.990 I might add to go again for a second meeting.

00:01:42.525 --> 00:01:46.335 At that second meeting, I was intimidated by the failed and inappropriate therapist

00:01:46.335 --> 00:01:48.075 who was obviously himself terrified.

00:01:48.645 --> 00:01:53.235 Being forced back into such a dark office alone as a boy to be berated, threatened,

00:01:53.265 --> 00:01:56.205 and shamed by an out of control representative of the world of

00:01:56.205 --> 00:02:01.155 institutional authority alerted me to just how badly outgunned the individual is when

00:02:01.155 --> 00:02:05.655 confronted by the terrifying reality of institutional actors attempting to silence

00:02:05.685 --> 00:02:06.495 a lone voice.

00:02:07.205 --> 00:02:09.815 Why would no one listened to the boy when he told them what had happened?

00:02:10.175 --> 00:02:13.985 Why wouldn't anyone adult powerful and credentialed speak up for that child and

00:02:13.985 --> 00:02:18.155 his right to be free of the suppose that therapy and therapist could no one see the

00:02:18.155 --> 00:02:19.445 terror in the child's eyes?

00:02:19.925 --> 00:02:22.175 Why simply because two sessions had been booked.

00:02:22.175 --> 00:02:24.275 Did he need to continue with this random therapist?

00:02:24.275 --> 00:02:27.665 It was clearly a damaged soul and one who needed real therapy much more than the

00:02:27.665 --> 00:02:27.965 boy.

00:02:29.265 --> 00:02:33.135 This episode is ultimately about the world of institutions, the institutions of

00:02:33.135 --> 00:02:36.885 journalism that will regularly destroy individuals by reputation, but who will

00:02:36.885 --> 00:02:39.915 generally not ask comparable questions of other institutions.

00:02:40.305 --> 00:02:43.575 The institutions of the intelligence world, which owe us information as to what

00:02:43.575 --> 00:02:47.115 is known about Jeffrey Epstein, Galane Maxwell and their operation.

00:02:47.805 --> 00:02:51.165 The institutions of government that will not hold hearings into out-of-control

00:02:51.165 --> 00:02:53.745 intelligence activities as we did in the 1970s.

00:02:54.145 --> 00:02:57.625 And the institutions of technology, which track our every move and know all our

00:02:57.625 --> 00:03:01.165 secrets yet cannot locate a single individual like Jeffrey Epstein's

00:03:01.165 --> 00:03:04.825 accomplice, who completely improbably seems to have vanished from the face of

00:03:04.825 --> 00:03:10.015 the earth as of March, 2020 but just as this episode is about institutions, it is

00:03:10.015 --> 00:03:13.345 also about individuals and the various ways that they're made vulnerable to

00:03:13.345 --> 00:03:14.575 institutional objectives.

00:03:15.315 --> 00:03:17.145 Because every individual may be destroyed.

00:03:17.145 --> 00:03:20.685 It will buy the same complex of institutions that are themselves deciding

00:03:20.685 --> 00:03:22.875 not to act with vigor and policing each other.

00:03:23.145 --> 00:03:26.715 We are all at risk when we deviate from their scripts and expect structural

00:03:26.715 --> 00:03:27.195 change.

00:03:27.795 --> 00:03:30.795 Thus, the act of pointing out the absurdity of the story is in fact

00:03:30.825 --> 00:03:34.545 terrifying, which gets to the questions raised by the young boy in our story.

00:03:34.995 --> 00:03:38.055 Why will no one listened to me when I say I do not ever wish to encounter the

00:03:38.055 --> 00:03:40.905 monster or the official class he represents ever again.

00:03:41.445 --> 00:03:44.145 Why must I go back to the same institutions that harm me.

00:03:44.775 --> 00:03:48.795 Why does a child evident terror mean nothing to any adult nor any institution

00:03:48.795 --> 00:03:49.275 at all.

00:03:49.845 --> 00:03:54.165 Why can we not talk openly about the risks to the individuals from the expert and

00:03:54.165 --> 00:03:56.595 authority classes when we have a conflict between them.

00:03:57.615 --> 00:03:58.365 As it happens.

00:03:58.395 --> 00:04:02.535 Analogs of all of those personal questions are now being asked in hush tones about

00:04:02.535 --> 00:04:05.745 Jeffrey Epstein and the bizarre institutional response to his story.

00:04:06.465 --> 00:04:09.705 Why are we not expending resources to figure out what giant structure we

00:04:09.705 --> 00:04:10.935 apparently just tripped over?

00:04:11.415 --> 00:04:14.954 Are we really going to sit here and not ask whether this was a protected or state

00:04:14.954 --> 00:04:18.735 sponsored pedophile running some kind of intelligence operation to control people

00:04:18.735 --> 00:04:20.355 in positions of power, wealth.

00:04:20.415 --> 00:04:21.135 And influence.

00:04:21.825 --> 00:04:26.415 Are we okay with the idea that we aren't even asking on the record questions about

00:04:26.415 --> 00:04:30.075 whether our intelligence communities, traffic and underage minors, some as young

00:04:30.075 --> 00:04:31.095 as 12 years of age.

00:04:32.205 --> 00:04:33.375 Well, I have an answer for that.

00:04:33.375 --> 00:04:33.615 Boy.

00:04:34.005 --> 00:04:37.695 One day you will become a man and you will fear loss in the battle between the flawed

00:04:37.695 --> 00:04:40.635 and vulnerable individual that all adults eventually become.

00:04:40.995 --> 00:04:44.895 And the amoral institutional world who continues to hold most of the best cards.

00:04:45.495 --> 00:04:48.735 You will learn the story of Jean Seaberg, and that alone will change your life.

00:04:49.425 --> 00:04:50.955 You will not know to whom you can turn.

00:04:51.275 --> 00:04:55.055 You will come to believe that there is no news media nor justice system, nor social

00:04:55.055 --> 00:04:58.594 movement, nor representative government that truly cares about protecting minors.

00:04:58.835 --> 00:05:03.065 In real terms, when institutional power, money, secrecy, and sex are all woven

00:05:03.065 --> 00:05:07.205 together, you will become part of the problem by remaining silent for awhile to

00:05:07.205 --> 00:05:08.075 cope with your fears.

00:05:08.790 --> 00:05:12.690 That is unless you are able to overcome them to clear your throat and finally say,

00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:13.200 you know what?

00:05:13.440 --> 00:05:16.230 I refuse to continue to be part of the charade in this way anymore.

00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:20.220 I have always felt Jeffrey Epstein was a construct and I now feared that he was a

00:05:20.220 --> 00:05:24.750 state sponsored pedophile, protected by governments, and I have kept quiet too

00:05:24.750 --> 00:05:28.770 long, partially out of fear that the trail could lead to either or both of the two

00:05:28.770 --> 00:05:30.360 nations I love most in this world.

00:05:31.200 --> 00:05:33.690 I'm not really here for myself and I've been avoiding this.

00:05:33.865 --> 00:05:37.105 And perhaps at least directly, I'm not even mostly here for the victims of

00:05:37.105 --> 00:05:38.845 Jeffrey Epstein and his organization.

00:05:39.775 --> 00:05:43.765 I am at last really here, selfishly, for a young boy, long gone.

00:05:44.125 --> 00:05:48.175 Why abandoned to prove to him that was actually possible at personal risk to

00:05:48.175 --> 00:05:50.065 stand up for children and against the system?

00:05:50.635 --> 00:05:53.785 These young girls are no less deserving, of course, but I don't know any of them

00:05:53.785 --> 00:05:56.125 personally, so I will stick to the issue that animates me.

00:05:56.455 --> 00:05:59.935 The individual standing against the institutions who would crush him or her.

00:06:00.780 --> 00:06:03.540 So to that long dead and previously abandoned former self.

00:06:03.570 --> 00:06:04.470 Let me just say this.

00:06:05.145 --> 00:06:06.315 Sorry, I'm a little late kid.

00:06:06.405 --> 00:06:09.495 I, uh, became afraid that the imperfections of what I'm about to say

00:06:09.495 --> 00:06:12.735 next could rearrange my adult life and make me vulnerable to those who will

00:06:12.735 --> 00:06:13.635 destroy anything.

00:06:13.635 --> 00:06:16.395 And anyone who threatens them using everything at their disposal.

00:06:17.385 --> 00:06:18.914 I apologize for my cowardice.

00:06:18.945 --> 00:06:22.695 It is one of many character flaws that I am working to correct, but you as a boy

00:06:22.695 --> 00:06:25.185 did nothing wrong and it will be a pleasure to stand up for you.

00:06:25.185 --> 00:06:25.844 Come with me.

00:06:26.205 --> 00:06:29.265 You're a solid kid who didn't deserve this, and I think you deserve a better

00:06:29.265 --> 00:06:31.395 champion, but Jesus wasn't available.

00:06:31.575 --> 00:06:32.655 So you got me instead.

00:06:33.405 --> 00:06:34.094 Let's do this thing.

00:06:34.125 --> 00:06:37.335 I know this is crazy, but I think that there's even a remote chance we can take

00:06:37.335 --> 00:06:37.905 these guys.

00:06:38.234 --> 00:06:40.395 We can at least try and go down swinging.

00:06:40.604 --> 00:06:41.445 Let's just release it.

00:06:41.445 --> 00:06:45.075 Flaws and all and hope that the world is more kind than it's failing institution.

00:06:45.885 --> 00:06:48.195 But that said, stay tuned.

00:06:48.675 --> 00:06:51.284 Please be a little bit forgiving and enjoy the episode.

00:06:54.015 --> 00:06:54.405 Hello.

00:06:54.645 --> 00:06:55.485 You found the portal.

00:06:55.790 --> 00:06:58.730 I think this is going to be a little bit of an unusual episode because it's going

00:06:58.730 --> 00:07:03.380 to deal with a current event, and I try to make most of these episodes somewhat more

00:07:03.620 --> 00:07:07.520 timeless so that they're not referenced to something in specific that is going to

00:07:07.520 --> 00:07:13.190 age, but the event that I'm talking about is the very mysterious circumstances that

00:07:13.400 --> 00:07:16.760 are currently animating so many people's speculations in the news.

00:07:17.090 --> 00:07:21.500 That is the apparent death of Jeffrey Epstein by his own hand.

00:07:22.310 --> 00:07:22.700 Now.

00:07:23.234 --> 00:07:28.155 I want to say first of all, that I have absolutely no special inside knowledge of

00:07:28.155 --> 00:07:28.965 the situation.

00:07:28.965 --> 00:07:34.784 I know people who knew him and I met him once, but it is not like I have any

00:07:34.784 --> 00:07:39.195 particular line on information from any particularly interesting source about the

00:07:39.195 --> 00:07:39.914 situation.

00:07:40.784 --> 00:07:44.955 Furthermore, I don't think that I'm going to be using any special kind of analysis

00:07:44.955 --> 00:07:49.424 that is known only to me, but I did want to talk to people about responsible.

00:07:49.590 --> 00:07:55.740 Conspiracy theorizing that is in the minds of many people believe that conspiracy

00:07:55.740 --> 00:08:00.660 theorists or people like Alex Jones, people who are spouting all sorts of crazy

00:08:00.660 --> 00:08:05.490 ideas, some of which might have some grain of truth in them, but in general, it feels

00:08:05.490 --> 00:08:06.600 like an exercise.

00:08:07.169 --> 00:08:09.659 In, uh, talking to the tin foil hat crowd.

00:08:10.200 --> 00:08:12.210 Now, I don't know much about Alex Jones.

00:08:12.210 --> 00:08:13.919 Perhaps he's better than I think he is.

00:08:14.250 --> 00:08:17.369 But what I want to talk about is a different kind of conspiracy theorizing.

00:08:17.760 --> 00:08:22.109 So without further ado, welcome to this episode of the portal on the subject of

00:08:22.109 --> 00:08:22.859 Jeffrey Epstein.

00:08:28.010 --> 00:08:31.039 So the first thing I want to do is I want to be relatively clear.

00:08:31.275 --> 00:08:35.475 That I'm somebody who believes that there is a fair amount of organization behind

00:08:35.475 --> 00:08:41.715 the scenes, usually have a relatively low level of organization that, uh, is unknown

00:08:41.715 --> 00:08:46.245 to the, to the people who are watching TV or listening to, let's say, NPR on the

00:08:46.245 --> 00:08:46.725 radio.

00:08:47.204 --> 00:08:51.345 And at various times I've dug more deeply into various stories.

00:08:51.375 --> 00:08:54.944 And so I want you to have some idea of my history in the space.

00:08:57.405 --> 00:09:02.925 In the 1980s and 1990s, I became very active in believing that the so called

00:09:02.984 --> 00:09:08.444 STEM shortage of scientists and engineers that was claimed by the policy research

00:09:08.444 --> 00:09:13.125 and analysis division of the national science foundation, uh, was in fact a

00:09:13.125 --> 00:09:19.064 conspiracy in order to make life easier for employers who would be facing, uh.

00:09:19.255 --> 00:09:24.204 American scientists with an ability to bargain, uh, and make higher wage demands.

00:09:24.235 --> 00:09:27.385 And that the national Academy of sciences and national science foundation

00:09:27.385 --> 00:09:32.305 interceded, interceded on the behalf of employers, which was tampering in the

00:09:32.334 --> 00:09:37.224 labor market and an absolutely vital sector resulting in the immigration act of

00:09:37.224 --> 00:09:39.745 1990 or impact 90, as it was called.

00:09:40.735 --> 00:09:44.064 At that point, I also became aware of what I.

00:09:44.405 --> 00:09:46.834 Have termed the bore Haas rectangle theory.

00:09:47.105 --> 00:09:52.535 That is that employers generally in free market economies when they're complaining

00:09:52.535 --> 00:09:56.885 about labor shortages, are actually trying to transfer wealth from labor to capital,

00:09:57.305 --> 00:10:01.805 uh, complaining instead, that there is a small inefficiency that needs to be

00:10:01.805 --> 00:10:04.295 rectified, which we might call the Harberger triangle.

00:10:04.625 --> 00:10:08.944 So that is employers claim that there's a small inefficiency, but in fact, you're

00:10:08.944 --> 00:10:10.055 seeking large.

00:10:10.545 --> 00:10:13.605 A transfer payments from the vulnerable to the well-healed.

00:10:14.685 --> 00:10:20.055 I also believe that NAFTA and the free trade agreement from the 1990s was a kind

00:10:20.055 --> 00:10:25.185 of conspiracy supported by the economics, uh, establishment of the United States

00:10:25.185 --> 00:10:31.215 that they knew that in fact, economics was not a sorry, uh, trade free trade was not

00:10:31.815 --> 00:10:33.135 a freebie.

00:10:33.165 --> 00:10:38.595 It was not, in fact a rising tide that lifted all boats, but was in fact, again,

00:10:38.595 --> 00:10:39.345 a transfer.

00:10:39.930 --> 00:10:42.689 Um, which was claimed to be a.

00:10:43.155 --> 00:10:45.495 Uh, pure good for everyone.

00:10:45.745 --> 00:10:49.214 This is the difference between something called the Kaldor Hicks objective function

00:10:49.214 --> 00:10:51.405 and the Pereda objective function.

00:10:52.275 --> 00:10:56.564 I also believed that string theory was largely a desperation measure in physics

00:10:56.564 --> 00:11:01.005 that was sold to the world to buy time when in fact the field of theoretical

00:11:01.005 --> 00:11:02.324 physics was failing.

00:11:02.985 --> 00:11:08.535 I also claimed that the Boskin commission formed by Packwood and Moynahan in the mid

00:11:08.535 --> 00:11:09.464 1990s.

00:11:09.920 --> 00:11:15.320 Was a kind of conspiracy to transfer, uh, actually $1 trillion.

00:11:15.800 --> 00:11:21.830 Um, by using the fact that social security payments are indexed to inflation, as well

00:11:21.830 --> 00:11:23.930 as tax brackets being indexed to inflation.

00:11:23.930 --> 00:11:28.940 So that if you could show that the CPI was overstated and you could reduce the CPI,

00:11:29.150 --> 00:11:32.720 you could transfer millions without having to touch the so called third rail of

00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:33.950 American politics.

00:11:34.850 --> 00:11:35.810 This brings us.

00:11:36.285 --> 00:11:43.425 To the two trading fortunes in New York city that during the, uh, first decade of

00:11:43.425 --> 00:11:45.405 the new millennium made no sense to me.

00:11:45.824 --> 00:11:50.819 And those were Bernie Madoff then referred to as the Jewish T bill and Jeffrey

00:11:50.819 --> 00:11:51.285 Epstein.

00:11:52.064 --> 00:11:54.944 In the case of Madoff, I made them wrong guests.

00:11:54.974 --> 00:11:59.084 I believe that Bernie Madoff was front running a traditional business that he

00:11:59.084 --> 00:12:00.435 held using.

00:12:00.824 --> 00:12:05.204 Uh, actual orders that he knew were being placed and in this hedge fund was

00:12:05.204 --> 00:12:09.765 effectively cheating, uh, based on the insight information he had from a

00:12:09.765 --> 00:12:12.285 legitimate business in an illegitimate business.

00:12:12.435 --> 00:12:14.025 I goofed, and that was wrong.

00:12:16.035 --> 00:12:18.975 In fact, he was, uh, operating a pyramid scheme.

00:12:19.035 --> 00:12:21.975 It didn't occur to me in the case of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:12:22.035 --> 00:12:26.745 Well, we'll get to that shortly, but it made no sense when I actually looked into

00:12:26.745 --> 00:12:27.255 the story.

00:12:27.345 --> 00:12:28.275 Let me keep going.

00:12:28.785 --> 00:12:33.975 I also became aware of what I called the gated institutional narrative, in effect,

00:12:34.005 --> 00:12:38.625 a storyline or narrative that many institutions claim to believe.

00:12:39.150 --> 00:12:43.980 But would easily, uh, be disrupted if outsiders were allowed to comment on it in

00:12:43.980 --> 00:12:48.570 a way of walling it off so that these narratives could in fact govern, uh, the

00:12:48.570 --> 00:12:53.280 American mindset and get us talking about things that we would never normally choose

00:12:53.280 --> 00:12:56.460 to talk about in terms that seem completely unnatural to me.

00:12:57.180 --> 00:13:00.540 This is also the origin of the four quadrant theory, which I've pushed out.

00:13:00.990 --> 00:13:05.850 Which is a way of intimidating people, uh, away from holding positions that are not

00:13:05.850 --> 00:13:07.050 supposed to be habitable.

00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:12.210 Like for example, if you're a Xena Fillic restrictionist on immigration, supposedly

00:13:12.210 --> 00:13:16.319 this is the position, the most famous example of the theory is Kathy Newman

00:13:16.680 --> 00:13:21.540 questioning Jordan Peterson saying, uh, so what you're really saying is, and this is

00:13:21.540 --> 00:13:25.050 an implied threat, which is that if you try to express something subtle, you will

00:13:25.050 --> 00:13:28.320 be mapped to expressing something that is beyond the pale.

00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:29.730 In addition.

00:13:30.734 --> 00:13:35.564 Uh, in the early two thousands, I came out, uh, talking against the great

00:13:35.564 --> 00:13:38.714 moderation, uh, and mortgage backed securities.

00:13:38.714 --> 00:13:45.255 I published, uh, in, I think I submitted in 2001 to risk magazine, my first article

00:13:45.255 --> 00:13:46.484 and mortgage backed securities.

00:13:46.484 --> 00:13:49.785 And I kept talking about the fact that we had not actually bought banished

00:13:49.785 --> 00:13:51.824 volatility from the markets.

00:13:51.824 --> 00:13:53.864 And this is a period of time where I was, uh.

00:13:54.735 --> 00:13:59.205 Sort of the going around the hedge fund con conference circuit with Naseem to lab,

00:13:59.415 --> 00:14:02.715 talking about the fact that even though volatility was decreasing, that this was

00:14:02.715 --> 00:14:04.335 not a permanent state of affairs.

00:14:05.145 --> 00:14:10.245 Furthermore, I objected to non-recourse loans, uh, in the wake of the great

00:14:10.245 --> 00:14:11.415 financial crisis.

00:14:11.859 --> 00:14:17.349 And I've talked openly about the, uh, false narratives of the inevitability of

00:14:17.349 --> 00:14:21.790 Hillary Clinton versus Bernie Madoff, which was a giant mistake in my opinion,

00:14:22.060 --> 00:14:25.630 of the New York times interceding in an election in a completely inappropriate

00:14:25.630 --> 00:14:25.900 way.

00:14:26.985 --> 00:14:31.155 And they doubled down and came up with the impossibility of Donald Trump, which I

00:14:31.155 --> 00:14:34.905 tried to use preference, falsification, the theory of teamwork, Quran we just had

00:14:34.905 --> 00:14:39.015 on the program in order to say that the likelihood of a Trump victory was far

00:14:39.015 --> 00:14:40.455 higher than anyone had imagined.

00:14:40.995 --> 00:14:43.095 I had also said various things about Brexit.

00:14:43.570 --> 00:14:48.040 Um, where I thought that the likelihood that that would, um, actually pass was

00:14:48.040 --> 00:14:48.550 high.

00:14:48.790 --> 00:14:54.580 And afterwards, after the 2016 election, I talked about fake news as an invented

00:14:54.580 --> 00:14:55.240 concept.

00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:59.260 It had been discussed before that, but there was a slew of articles about fake

00:14:59.260 --> 00:15:04.750 news, which I still think was a completely inauthentic attempt, uh, to put in a place

00:15:04.750 --> 00:15:07.540 holder for some ability to control.

00:15:07.729 --> 00:15:12.439 The internet in particular, the large platforms, so that a repeat of 2016 could

00:15:12.439 --> 00:15:18.770 never happen in the year 2020 a in effect that there should be some way of restoring

00:15:18.770 --> 00:15:21.319 the gated institutional narrative, which had clearly broken.

00:15:22.370 --> 00:15:26.469 Uh, I've also been quite vocal on the data and society alternative.

00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:31.400 Uh, influencer network theory, uh, on, particularly on the Dave Reuben program, I

00:15:31.400 --> 00:15:36.410 think that this was a transparent attempt, uh, to attempt to control the internet and

00:15:36.410 --> 00:15:41.090 the inability to, uh, of influencers to gain stature if they're outside the gated

00:15:41.090 --> 00:15:42.440 institutional network.

00:15:42.680 --> 00:15:45.290 And I also made several tweets, um.

00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:49.490 Around Jeffrey Epstein, one of them, which says that if he is in fact, a construct of

00:15:49.490 --> 00:15:53.960 the intelligence community, uh, either the U S intelligence community or a foreign

00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.930 one, then clearly he could not be allowed to live.

00:15:58.020 --> 00:16:01.380 Many people also made similar, uh, predictions.

00:16:01.709 --> 00:16:05.609 Um, but that gives you an idea of the kind of thing that I've been talking about.

00:16:06.150 --> 00:16:10.859 I in general believe that where we are as a society is that we are expected to

00:16:10.859 --> 00:16:15.569 believe in narratives that any person with a modicum of intelligence and a certain

00:16:15.569 --> 00:16:19.979 awareness of history cannot possibly be expected to believe with a straight face.

00:16:20.609 --> 00:16:21.030 All right.

00:16:21.675 --> 00:16:26.115 That leads us to the doorstep of what I call responsible conspiracy theorizing.

00:16:27.045 --> 00:16:31.875 Now, in order to do responsible conspiracy theorizing, it's important not to be

00:16:31.875 --> 00:16:33.675 definite about things we don't know.

00:16:34.305 --> 00:16:37.875 And I'm going to try to let you know that I actually don't know what has happened.

00:16:37.875 --> 00:16:40.695 In fact, the official story is quite possible.

00:16:41.415 --> 00:16:44.325 Um, from what I know, it's not impossible.

00:16:44.325 --> 00:16:49.545 The Jeffrey Epstein was a perverted, very rich man who is dead by his own hand in

00:16:49.545 --> 00:16:54.015 custody through an unlikely but not impossible set of circumstances.

00:16:55.155 --> 00:16:55.815 However.

00:16:56.324 --> 00:17:03.675 Unfortunately for me, I met Jeffrey Epstein in 2004 I think, or perhaps 2003

00:17:04.484 --> 00:17:10.365 and I met him in his home in Manhattan on 71st street when, uh, I, he took an

00:17:10.365 --> 00:17:14.055 interest in talking to me both as a scientist and as somebody who is

00:17:14.055 --> 00:17:15.974 interested in foreign exchange trading.

00:17:17.040 --> 00:17:21.329 I found that meeting so bizarre and so remarkable that it has stuck with me ever

00:17:21.329 --> 00:17:21.869 since.

00:17:22.410 --> 00:17:26.760 Recently when the news turned to Jeffrey Epstein, my wife said to me, you know,

00:17:26.760 --> 00:17:30.030 Eric, you called this when you met him early on.

00:17:30.270 --> 00:17:31.740 And I said, what do you remember?

00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:37.139 And she said that you called me immediately afterwards and you said, I've

00:17:37.139 --> 00:17:39.060 just met a construct.

00:17:40.230 --> 00:17:40.860 And she asked what?

00:17:40.860 --> 00:17:43.230 It was a construct, and I said, I've met somebody.

00:17:43.815 --> 00:17:48.735 Who appears to be a hedge fund billionaire who I don't think is actually in fact

00:17:48.735 --> 00:17:51.315 involved, particularly in hedge fund trading.

00:17:51.945 --> 00:17:56.775 I felt like what I was meeting was an actor, an actor who had been hired or

00:17:56.775 --> 00:17:58.395 constructed to play a part.

00:17:59.205 --> 00:18:04.815 Ever since that meeting, I've used one word and one word alone when talking about

00:18:04.815 --> 00:18:07.755 Jeffrey Epstein and particularly with people who knew him.

00:18:08.085 --> 00:18:11.925 Who are friends or acquaintances or colleagues of mine, and by using the word

00:18:11.925 --> 00:18:17.955 construct repeatedly, I attempted to make a, an indelible image that I was very

00:18:17.955 --> 00:18:22.185 bothered and was in fact making a prediction that one day it was quite

00:18:22.425 --> 00:18:29.115 probable, although not definite, and certainly not certain the Jeffrey Epstein

00:18:29.115 --> 00:18:33.105 would be revealed to be something other than what he had apparently been.

00:18:33.615 --> 00:18:37.995 Um, Chronicle does being and what he had portrayed himself as being.

00:18:39.885 --> 00:18:45.225 As a result, I now have a different situation because I was making this

00:18:45.225 --> 00:18:50.355 prediction early on and I had no idea what turn of events, uh, would bring us to the

00:18:50.355 --> 00:18:50.835 present.

00:18:51.524 --> 00:18:57.075 Uh, I was quite vocal about something, which perhaps today if I knew how things

00:18:57.075 --> 00:19:00.075 were going to end up, I would have said nothing at all.

00:19:00.660 --> 00:19:05.520 So I feel in fact a little bit more vulnerable having spoken out on this as if

00:19:05.520 --> 00:19:11.070 I know something, rather than just a person who found himself in remarkable

00:19:11.070 --> 00:19:14.010 circumstances and didn't believe what he was being told.

00:19:14.670 --> 00:19:16.500 And this is why I'm doing this right now.

00:19:16.590 --> 00:19:21.270 In part, I want to disgorge everything that I know or believe that I know about

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00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:27.870 intimidate me that there is nothing to be gained.

00:19:28.140 --> 00:19:29.580 I know nothing proprietary.

00:19:30.150 --> 00:19:34.950 I have no special insight information, and I want to get to how I came to believe

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00:22:18.560 --> 00:22:24.080 So in order to do responsible conspiracy theorizing, my first rule is, is that one

00:22:24.080 --> 00:22:29.240 should not attempt to allege a type of conspiracy that has never been encountered

00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:29.780 before.

00:22:30.290 --> 00:22:35.149 Over the years, many conspiracies have been uncovered, and so we have a menu, if

00:22:35.149 --> 00:22:36.820 you will, uh, of.

00:22:37.245 --> 00:22:41.835 Proven conspiracies with which we can try to figure out whether something is in fact

00:22:41.835 --> 00:22:42.435 possible.

00:22:43.004 --> 00:22:46.514 And to give you an idea, I'm going to list a small number of conspiracies that have

00:22:46.514 --> 00:22:51.284 been proven and give you the idea of why these things figure in my imagination.

00:22:51.735 --> 00:22:55.514 And I think that what will happen over time is that you'll see that I'll refer to

00:22:55.514 --> 00:22:59.115 the same conspiracies over and over again because they give us an idea of the

00:22:59.115 --> 00:23:00.524 boundaries of the possible.

00:23:02.534 --> 00:23:03.165 First of all.

00:23:03.780 --> 00:23:04.650 One question.

00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:09.330 Is it possible that mainstream media can be weaponized by the intelligence

00:23:09.330 --> 00:23:13.320 community for the purpose of destroying a well known individual?

00:23:13.620 --> 00:23:18.840 That is, as I am recording this, I am aware that the intelligence community

00:23:18.990 --> 00:23:23.730 could decide to tarnish or destroy or in their words, cheapen my reputation.

00:23:24.840 --> 00:23:27.210 By planting stories in mainstream media.

00:23:28.110 --> 00:23:32.370 In this case, I would point people to one of the most important examples we have,

00:23:32.610 --> 00:23:37.230 which is the destruction of gene Seaberg, the leading actress who was originally

00:23:37.230 --> 00:23:42.060 found by audit, Otto Preminger to play Joan of arc, and also used by John Luke

00:23:42.060 --> 00:23:44.280 Godard in the film, breathless as the heroine.

00:23:45.300 --> 00:23:52.679 GNC Seaberg was, uh, accused, uh, due to her radical politics active in the black

00:23:52.679 --> 00:23:57.510 Panther party of cuckolding, her husband, and bearing the child of a black Panther

00:23:58.139 --> 00:24:03.600 and in a news item that was planted by, uh, the FBI with Joyce Haber of the Los

00:24:03.600 --> 00:24:06.090 Angeles times later repeated by Newsweek.

00:24:06.600 --> 00:24:08.879 The great thing about this is you don't have to believe me.

00:24:08.909 --> 00:24:09.929 You can just look it up.

00:24:11.670 --> 00:24:15.690 Does the U S have the ability to assassinate its own people who may be

00:24:15.690 --> 00:24:16.680 trying to do good?

00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:21.060 Well, in the case of the person who invented the term, the rainbow coalition,

00:24:21.090 --> 00:24:22.410 this appears to be the case.

00:24:22.770 --> 00:24:24.060 It wasn't Jesse Jackson.

00:24:24.090 --> 00:24:26.070 It was in fact, a man named Fred Hampton.

00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:30.450 And my understanding is he was trying to get black street gangs to stop warring

00:24:30.450 --> 00:24:34.980 with each other, to form a political coalition and was assassinated for his,

00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:36.660 uh, attempt to do so.

00:24:37.155 --> 00:24:39.465 Uh, in his bed in Chicago, Illinois.

00:24:39.855 --> 00:24:43.755 So this shows that assassinations by our, our intelligence community and our

00:24:43.755 --> 00:24:45.705 particular form of secret police.

00:24:45.705 --> 00:24:47.865 The FBI is also possible.

00:24:49.965 --> 00:24:56.265 Can you have a highly coordinated, silent hit with tremendous complexity going off

00:24:56.295 --> 00:24:57.375 almost without a hitch.

00:24:57.990 --> 00:25:02.040 I believe that the surveillance photos that we have seen in Dubai indicate that

00:25:02.040 --> 00:25:03.840 this is in fact has occurred recently.

00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:08.220 I'm not going to say who carried out the hit because that is not known, but it is

00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:11.340 widely believed to be a particular country that is not hard to guess.

00:25:12.540 --> 00:25:14.790 Is it possible to suicide someone?

00:25:14.790 --> 00:25:18.180 Normally we think of committing suicide as an individual action.

00:25:18.930 --> 00:25:23.460 But do we ever find the intelligence communities attempting to, in the sense of

00:25:23.460 --> 00:25:27.450 a transitive verb, suicide, someone by letting them know that they will turn

00:25:27.450 --> 00:25:28.800 their life into a living hell.

00:25:28.800 --> 00:25:32.460 So that, uh, committing suicide is the only way out.

00:25:32.820 --> 00:25:36.960 In fact, this is, uh, what the subject of the FBI's, um.

00:25:37.575 --> 00:25:43.515 Let her by the hand of Sullivan to Martin Luther King jr was when the attempt was to

00:25:43.515 --> 00:25:47.685 tell King that he was finished and that if he didn't commit suicide, that his legacy

00:25:47.685 --> 00:25:49.005 and his name would be tarnished.

00:25:50.475 --> 00:25:55.155 Would an intelligence community ever contemplate using organized crime such as

00:25:55.155 --> 00:26:00.405 LA Cosa Nostra, uh, in order to carry out a, an act that it didn't want to do

00:26:00.405 --> 00:26:01.035 itself?

00:26:01.095 --> 00:26:02.115 This is what we found.

00:26:02.385 --> 00:26:05.955 The comedian Dick Gregory was a considered being subjected to.

00:26:06.570 --> 00:26:12.780 When we found out that the FBI was thinking about having LA Cosa Nostra, uh,

00:26:12.810 --> 00:26:18.149 be informed that he had been talking about union activities and labor racketeering.

00:26:18.510 --> 00:26:22.200 So yes, it is quite possible that the intelligence community would use organized

00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:22.620 crime.

00:26:22.649 --> 00:26:24.149 This is also a proven fact.

00:26:25.230 --> 00:26:30.180 Would we ever have the use of orgies and honeypots together with an elaborately

00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:33.540 constructed backstory in which an actor.

00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:36.480 And the character they played were entirely different.

00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.360 This is in fact, the story of Ellie Cohn.

00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:45.240 Perhaps Israel's most famous spy discovered in Damascus, uh, as if he was,

00:26:45.690 --> 00:26:51.300 uh, an Arab who had come from Argentina as a Playboy using alcohol.

00:26:51.735 --> 00:26:56.895 Uh, and women in order to, uh, integrate himself into the highest echelons of

00:26:56.895 --> 00:27:00.615 Syrian society, particularly the intelligence and defense communities.

00:27:01.004 --> 00:27:05.325 So, yes, people are constructed, uh, to be something other than they are.

00:27:05.325 --> 00:27:12.375 And honeypots are very much, uh, a possible use in the intelligence world is

00:27:12.375 --> 00:27:15.735 their intelligence, uh, community interest in control of the media.

00:27:15.735 --> 00:27:16.845 I would commend that.

00:27:16.845 --> 00:27:18.495 You look at project Mockingbird.

00:27:20.070 --> 00:27:25.740 Is there any attempt to gain control of innocent influencers that is, are there

00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:31.200 any circumstances in which people simply have the crime of being influential used

00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:31.770 against them?

00:27:32.130 --> 00:27:37.650 In fact, you can look for section a of the reserve index people to be rounded up in

00:27:37.650 --> 00:27:40.650 times of national emergency inside the United States.

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:46.380 This might include professors, labor organizers, professionals, authors.

00:27:47.040 --> 00:27:48.390 The independently wealthy.

00:27:48.870 --> 00:27:52.710 In other words, there is very much an interest in keeping track of people who've

00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:57.600 done nothing wrong, but in times of national emergency, you might want to make

00:27:57.600 --> 00:28:01.170 sure that none of these people are capable of influencing the population.

00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:06.750 Lastly, one of the things that we hear most frequently is, is that there is no

00:28:06.750 --> 00:28:11.010 ability to have conspiracies because any large group of people would not be able to

00:28:11.010 --> 00:28:11.760 keep a secret.

00:28:12.975 --> 00:28:17.895 It's a really silly idea because COINTELPRO, which was discovered by the

00:28:17.895 --> 00:28:24.405 citizens committee to investigate the FBI in, uh, 1971, when the word showed up in

00:28:24.405 --> 00:28:28.485 documents they stole from an office of the FBI in media, Pennsylvania.

00:28:29.054 --> 00:28:31.935 And then they use the freedom of information act in order to find out what

00:28:31.935 --> 00:28:33.314 COINTELPRO was.

00:28:33.614 --> 00:28:38.024 And it turned out that it was a permanent, dirty tricks campaign living inside of the

00:28:38.024 --> 00:28:38.625 FBI.

00:28:39.135 --> 00:28:40.364 And that the deep throat.

00:28:40.875 --> 00:28:49.635 Uh, construct inside of the Watergate story, um, of Woodward and Bernstein was

00:28:49.635 --> 00:28:55.274 in fact, Mark felt, who I believe was the head of COINTELPRO after J Edgar Hoover.

00:28:55.905 --> 00:29:01.305 So what we're going to be doing is simply exploring how the things that have been

00:29:01.305 --> 00:29:07.635 proven to be true might enter into the story of the unfortunate Jeffrey Epstein.

00:29:09.824 --> 00:29:14.925 In this circumstance, I want to say what it is that I'm asking for, and I'm going

00:29:14.925 --> 00:29:19.274 to be talking about the church and pike commissions and having them redone in the

00:29:19.274 --> 00:29:19.905 current era.

00:29:20.564 --> 00:29:24.254 If you don't know what the church and pike committees were, I believe the church

00:29:24.284 --> 00:29:27.764 committee was in the Senate and the pike committee was in the house.

00:29:28.095 --> 00:29:32.205 They were an attempt to invest our own, uh, investigate our own intelligence

00:29:32.205 --> 00:29:37.754 community in order to understand what the U S had become in an era that was rife

00:29:37.754 --> 00:29:42.014 with dirty tricks, campaigns often against our own citizens and often against people

00:29:42.014 --> 00:29:45.975 who had done nothing wrong other than exercising their constitutional rights to

00:29:45.975 --> 00:29:48.105 descent from official narrative.

00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.830 Uh, and in general, mainstream perspectives, it is extremely important to

00:29:52.830 --> 00:29:58.500 me that the United States remain a place that is not only not hostile to heterodox

00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:01.260 thinking, but leads the world in heterodox thinking.

00:30:01.260 --> 00:30:06.000 This is our comparative advantage against places like China and Russia, which use

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.620 fear to intimidate their people.

00:30:07.830 --> 00:30:12.810 If we cannot have heterodox thinkers operating with a feeling of safety in our

00:30:12.810 --> 00:30:14.880 own country, I believe that we are lost.

00:30:15.405 --> 00:30:19.245 Because I don't think we are going to be able to compete with powers that are able

00:30:19.245 --> 00:30:24.345 to organize people and use violence to coerce people into doing things that our

00:30:24.345 --> 00:30:26.955 people would find absolutely unpalatable.

00:30:29.670 --> 00:30:35.040 Further, if you're running a kind of conspiracy, and I don't, I'm not against

00:30:35.040 --> 00:30:39.149 conspiracies and I'm not against the intelligence community, but it's important

00:30:39.149 --> 00:30:43.050 that the conspiracy is be ethical, that they be public minded and that they'd be

00:30:43.050 --> 00:30:45.180 of a very high caliber.

00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:50.159 You shouldn't be able to trip over a conspiracy doing nothing wrong and find

00:30:50.159 --> 00:30:51.540 yourself in a world of pain.

00:30:52.170 --> 00:30:55.710 What I'm going to say about Jeffrey Epstein is that if the official story

00:30:55.710 --> 00:30:56.340 isn't true.

00:30:56.895 --> 00:31:01.575 And then in fact, he was an intelligence community construct, either us or foreign.

00:31:02.235 --> 00:31:05.534 Then he was a very poor intelligence construct.

00:31:05.925 --> 00:31:08.145 It was easy to trip over Jeffrey Epstein.

00:31:08.355 --> 00:31:09.915 He was not well constructed.

00:31:10.485 --> 00:31:13.514 And I'll get into what I think may have been going on shortly.

00:31:13.875 --> 00:31:18.945 But the key point is, um, I had someone potentially reach out to me and intimidate

00:31:18.945 --> 00:31:19.425 me a bit.

00:31:19.665 --> 00:31:21.105 I don't know if it was directed.

00:31:21.450 --> 00:31:24.750 But they seem to know a great deal about me and they were trying to, I thought,

00:31:24.780 --> 00:31:28.230 dissuade me from talking about this and investigating this.

00:31:28.620 --> 00:31:33.810 My feeling about this is if I'm tripping over your construct, then you goofed.

00:31:33.870 --> 00:31:34.860 It's not my problem.

00:31:35.550 --> 00:31:42.870 You drew up this person, whoever you may be, if I'm correct about this and you made

00:31:42.870 --> 00:31:43.500 a mistake.

00:31:44.175 --> 00:31:49.215 And I'm going to say what that mistake is, but it shouldn't be, uh, my job to get out

00:31:49.215 --> 00:31:49.845 of your way.

00:31:49.875 --> 00:31:53.625 It should be your job to make sure that I never run across your problem.

00:31:54.195 --> 00:31:57.195 So I believe that Jeffrey Epstein, if he wasn't intelligence, construct, was

00:31:57.195 --> 00:31:58.485 extremely badly drawn.

00:32:01.005 --> 00:32:01.395 All right,

00:32:03.435 --> 00:32:08.235 here's what went into my meeting of Jeffrey . My recollection is, is that

00:32:08.265 --> 00:32:14.305 Jeffrey Epstein had a staff of young adult women who I would guess were in their late

00:32:14.305 --> 00:32:15.885 twenties, perhaps early thirties.

00:32:16.275 --> 00:32:17.625 They seem very professional.

00:32:17.685 --> 00:32:23.805 They seem very attractive and that they seemed to take, uh, his schedule and all

00:32:23.805 --> 00:32:28.125 of the sort of incidental executive function, uh, duties off of his hands.

00:32:28.845 --> 00:32:32.715 Uh, principally I dealt with them according to my recollection and not with

00:32:32.715 --> 00:32:33.585 Jeffrey directly.

00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:36.510 I believe I became aware of that.

00:32:36.510 --> 00:32:41.580 Jeffrey wanted to see me, and since I was at that time involved in a small hedge

00:32:41.580 --> 00:32:45.720 fund, I went to see him on 71st street across from the Frick museum.

00:32:46.860 --> 00:32:49.860 When I got to the door, it was an extraordinary experience.

00:32:49.889 --> 00:32:54.240 He in fact was living in what was for Manhattan, which is famous for relatively

00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.560 small dwellings, even for the very rich and a very large townhouse.

00:32:59.100 --> 00:33:00.120 I went through the door.

00:33:00.149 --> 00:33:03.330 I was greeted, treated professionally, and I was led to a waiting room.

00:33:04.620 --> 00:33:09.479 In that waiting room, which I believe was off to the left as you entered a, I sat in

00:33:09.479 --> 00:33:13.889 the chair for a while and I noticed that there was a large mechanical piece of art,

00:33:14.459 --> 00:33:17.040 and I believe that it had some electronics to it.

00:33:17.610 --> 00:33:19.379 After a while of sitting in my chair.

00:33:19.439 --> 00:33:23.399 My recollection is that I went up to this art object and I started trying to inspect

00:33:23.399 --> 00:33:27.270 it as I was looking at the art object, which I thought was quite innocent.

00:33:27.870 --> 00:33:32.610 I suddenly thought that I saw something like a lipstick camera that is a very

00:33:32.610 --> 00:33:36.060 small camera whose lens was staring straight at me.

00:33:37.050 --> 00:33:39.480 My first thought was, Holy cow.

00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:43.740 I've discovered that there's a hidden camera that is, uh, been trained on me

00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:44.850 while I've been in this room.

00:33:46.379 --> 00:33:49.020 I thought myself to be rather clever for having found it.

00:33:49.350 --> 00:33:51.870 But my second thought was exactly the reverse of this.

00:33:52.575 --> 00:33:57.375 I bet this isn't that difficult to find the object that it was buried in attracts

00:33:57.375 --> 00:33:57.945 attention.

00:33:58.335 --> 00:34:02.415 And it must be that people who look at this object in variably find the camera,

00:34:02.505 --> 00:34:06.255 and then I started asking myself, am I supposed to find the camera?

00:34:06.435 --> 00:34:07.425 Is this a test?

00:34:07.815 --> 00:34:12.315 Is is this person trying to make sure I'm comfortable with being under surveillance?

00:34:12.615 --> 00:34:16.365 The whole thing was now quite queer and I went back and I sat down, as I recall it.

00:34:17.120 --> 00:34:20.540 Shortly thereafter, almost responsive to finding the camera.

00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:25.370 My recollection is that I was called out of this room and I was led to the back

00:34:25.460 --> 00:34:30.110 where I was to wait for Jeffrey Epstein and a very large room with an enormous

00:34:30.110 --> 00:34:30.950 dining table.

00:34:31.820 --> 00:34:37.610 Now, what was most memorable about this dining table was that it had a tablecloth

00:34:37.670 --> 00:34:40.340 that I thought to be incredibly inappropriate.

00:34:41.060 --> 00:34:44.090 What I recall was, is that it had the appearance of.

00:34:44.685 --> 00:34:51.165 Uh, a draped coffin because the tablecloth was an extremely large American flag.

00:34:51.945 --> 00:34:56.085 If I recall correctly, there was another gentleman, um, perhaps another hedge fund

00:34:56.085 --> 00:35:01.875 person or a science person who sat to my left and I stared at this tablecloth and I

00:35:01.875 --> 00:35:08.145 thought, Oh, you're going to serve me food on a tablecloth made out of the flag of my

00:35:08.145 --> 00:35:12.255 country, or perhaps you're going to give me a beverage that might spill on the

00:35:12.255 --> 00:35:13.155 American flag.

00:35:13.815 --> 00:35:18.045 Is this a test of some kind of my loyalty to my country, or whether I have some sort

00:35:18.045 --> 00:35:22.904 of morality that isn't burdened by some petty reverence to an inanimate object.

00:35:23.475 --> 00:35:27.555 I couldn't tell what was going on, but I started getting extremely agitated and in

00:35:27.555 --> 00:35:29.865 fact angry, and I think my.

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00:35:35.115 --> 00:35:40.275 a good idea to put an American table, a flag as a tablecloth to test new people

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00:38:05.230 --> 00:38:06.700 My recollection is that Jeffrey.

00:38:06.870 --> 00:38:11.370 Entered from the right with the young woman in my mind.

00:38:11.610 --> 00:38:17.070 I remember her as being perhaps 2223 she was extremely attractive.

00:38:18.030 --> 00:38:23.730 As I recall, Jeffrey sat down and began bouncing this woman on his knee, so he

00:38:23.730 --> 00:38:28.380 motioned for her to sit down and she appeared to be quite happy, uh, in this

00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:28.800 role.

00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.260 As Jeffrey asked questions and discussed.

00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.110 Uh, science theories I had about markets, how they related to gauge theory,

00:38:37.110 --> 00:38:38.280 theoretical physics.

00:38:38.490 --> 00:38:43.050 I don't remember the man, uh, saying much to me who was also in the room at the

00:38:43.050 --> 00:38:43.440 time.

00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:48.480 And so, all I have a recollection of is the four of us, Jeffrey, the woman on his

00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.720 leg and the other gentleman and myself.

00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:55.560 My recollection is also that in order to, um.

00:38:55.890 --> 00:38:59.850 Test our willpower and concentration that Jeffrey would bounce this woman

00:38:59.910 --> 00:39:05.010 occasionally, that she would giggle, uh, in order to test our resolve as to whether

00:39:05.010 --> 00:39:06.870 we could stay focused in the conversation.

00:39:08.295 --> 00:39:10.065 I found him to be quite intelligent.

00:39:10.425 --> 00:39:15.165 He'd clearly was no slouch, but I also found that every single interaction with

00:39:15.165 --> 00:39:18.885 him resulted in my being back footed conversationally.

00:39:18.975 --> 00:39:23.565 He was constantly trying to throw me off guard and at some level I was also

00:39:23.565 --> 00:39:26.985 irritated and angry, and I was trying to keep my cool during this entire

00:39:26.985 --> 00:39:27.735 interaction.

00:39:28.575 --> 00:39:31.845 And I thought to myself, I don't know anybody who behaves this way.

00:39:31.935 --> 00:39:36.435 I knew several rich people at that point in my life, and I've known many more very

00:39:36.435 --> 00:39:41.145 wealthy people, perhaps billionaires, billionaires of 10 and 11 figure fortunes.

00:39:42.765 --> 00:39:47.565 To the best of my recollection, I've never met a single other person who behaved in

00:39:47.565 --> 00:39:48.645 such a strange way.

00:39:49.065 --> 00:39:52.965 He didn't appear to be really that focused on markets and trading.

00:39:53.610 --> 00:39:58.380 And he appeared instead to be focused in creating a kind of cartoonish notion of

00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:04.350 what a billionaire might be in a very poorly drawn James Bond or Marvel comic

00:40:04.350 --> 00:40:04.740 movie.

00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:10.110 And in so doing, I came to start to believe that I was not really talking to

00:40:10.110 --> 00:40:14.790 somebody who was a hedge fund manager or a financier, but that I was instead talking

00:40:14.790 --> 00:40:18.060 to a very intelligent and extremely charismatic man.

00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:22.690 My recollection was that he was magnetically handsome, perhaps a little

00:40:22.690 --> 00:40:23.830 off in certain ways.

00:40:23.830 --> 00:40:28.660 Certainly he's been compared to Ralph Lauren, which was my thought, but he was a

00:40:28.690 --> 00:40:34.780 prematurely gray, if I recall, uh, the image, and he had a kind of charisma that

00:40:34.780 --> 00:40:39.160 could probably be quantified in an era of facial recognition.

00:40:39.460 --> 00:40:42.820 There was something very, very unusual and compelling about him.

00:40:43.485 --> 00:40:46.845 Despite the fact that he was more than a little bit lubricious.

00:40:47.385 --> 00:40:50.235 The meeting ended abruptly at some point, and I walked out.

00:40:51.585 --> 00:40:55.845 I remember feeling that there are very few times in your life when you feel the hair

00:40:55.845 --> 00:40:57.375 on the back of your neck rise up.

00:40:57.405 --> 00:41:00.675 I don't know whether that's literally what happened, but it was certainly the sense

00:41:00.915 --> 00:41:02.715 that I had met something unholy.

00:41:03.375 --> 00:41:07.485 And I remember calling my wife and I remember talking to her, and I've used the

00:41:07.485 --> 00:41:09.555 word construct ever since.

00:41:10.110 --> 00:41:13.650 Now in order to do responsible conspiracy theorizing.

00:41:14.130 --> 00:41:17.700 Uh, there are a couple of techniques that I would like to share that I use.

00:41:18.270 --> 00:41:23.550 One is that I would like to distinguish two separate elements that may in fact be

00:41:23.550 --> 00:41:24.270 the same thing.

00:41:25.710 --> 00:41:31.410 Let's imagine that the character that I met is in fact the forward facing

00:41:31.410 --> 00:41:35.670 construct, and that there was an underlying human being playing that

00:41:35.670 --> 00:41:36.270 character.

00:41:36.540 --> 00:41:37.740 Now, if he was genuine.

00:41:38.055 --> 00:41:43.575 Then as we say in mathematics without loss of generality, we can, uh, adapt ourselves

00:41:43.575 --> 00:41:46.995 to the circumstance that the actor and the character were one in the same.

00:41:47.535 --> 00:41:51.105 So if the actor and the character are one in the same and that he was in no way a

00:41:51.105 --> 00:41:55.965 construct of anyone, then no harm, no foul, the S the theory will accommodate

00:41:55.965 --> 00:41:56.235 that.

00:41:56.535 --> 00:42:01.605 But it allows us to have a different possibility that the character and the

00:42:01.605 --> 00:42:03.075 actor are two different people.

00:42:05.265 --> 00:42:10.815 Another technique that I like to use is I like to think about a decision tree and a

00:42:10.815 --> 00:42:11.745 decision tree.

00:42:11.805 --> 00:42:15.615 I don't want to have to say which branch of the decision tree is true and which

00:42:15.615 --> 00:42:16.695 branch is false.

00:42:16.875 --> 00:42:21.165 Very often when you share a conspiracy theory, what you find is that people want

00:42:21.165 --> 00:42:22.815 to know exactly what do you believe?

00:42:22.815 --> 00:42:24.045 Well, what do you think happened?

00:42:24.375 --> 00:42:25.845 What do you think was really going on?

00:42:26.355 --> 00:42:27.825 Well, the answer is I don't know.

00:42:29.009 --> 00:42:33.390 But what if you can come up with a theory that is true no matter which branch of the

00:42:33.390 --> 00:42:35.850 decision tree you're on, that you have confidence in.

00:42:36.299 --> 00:42:37.529 This is where I've been headed.

00:42:38.220 --> 00:42:41.700 Lastly, I want to use a technique which is extremely important to me, that I've

00:42:41.700 --> 00:42:45.600 talked about before at the best of Navarro Ravi icon on Twitter.

00:42:46.230 --> 00:42:49.859 Uh, so you can find a Twitter thread that will, will go under something like the

00:42:49.859 --> 00:42:50.370 title.

00:42:50.580 --> 00:42:54.480 The invisible world is first discovered in the visible worlds.

00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.680 Failure to close.

00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:58.470 Now, what do I mean by that?

00:42:59.430 --> 00:43:04.470 What I mean is, is that sometimes you discover that something is not right only

00:43:04.470 --> 00:43:09.060 because the explanation for everything that can be seen doesn't add up.

00:43:10.620 --> 00:43:15.720 My favorite example of this, uh, is beta decay and something like cobalt 60.

00:43:16.110 --> 00:43:20.760 If you measure the momenta of all of the visible particles, you'll notice that it

00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.910 doesn't add up to a concert, a conserved momentum equation.

00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:29.460 And this is what allowed Wolfgang Pauli to hypothesize that there must be something

00:43:29.460 --> 00:43:33.540 carrying away some momentum that is electrically neutral and cannot be seen.

00:43:34.140 --> 00:43:37.080 And he named it the neutrino, the little neutral one.

00:43:37.830 --> 00:43:38.280 Well.

00:43:38.835 --> 00:43:41.565 Something didn't make sense about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:43:41.595 --> 00:43:46.395 How could somebody have that much money claim to be a hedge fund manager be so

00:43:46.395 --> 00:43:52.755 clearly focused on his persona and not look or sound like anybody I'd ever met in

00:43:52.755 --> 00:43:53.745 trading at that point?

00:43:55.049 --> 00:43:59.730 I believe that this person, in some sense represented a failure of the visible

00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:04.500 worlds failure to close, and so I decided that it was with some probability, not

00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:08.460 100% certainly, that this person was in fact a construct.

00:44:09.509 --> 00:44:13.830 Now around, I forget when it was 2005.

00:44:14.190 --> 00:44:21.030 Some point through 2007, Jeffrey Epstein becomes entangled with Florida, uh, law

00:44:21.030 --> 00:44:27.510 enforcement for requesting, uh, or arranging massages from underage women.

00:44:27.540 --> 00:44:32.820 That was almost certainly a massage, was a euphemism for some form of child

00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:33.690 prostitution.

00:44:35.580 --> 00:44:41.339 This was an extremely disturbing episode in which he was vigorously defended by a

00:44:41.609 --> 00:44:46.319 high profile team, which is his right in an adversarial system, but it was with a

00:44:46.319 --> 00:44:51.720 particular vigor that I found absolutely disturbing and unsettling, and that the

00:44:51.720 --> 00:44:56.549 sentence given to Jeffrey Epstein seemed to be so reduced compared to what he was

00:44:56.549 --> 00:45:00.180 being accused of, that I felt like I had to just check.

00:45:00.734 --> 00:45:02.295 Check all of my intuitions.

00:45:02.595 --> 00:45:08.055 Why was such a light sentence being imposed further?

00:45:08.085 --> 00:45:12.134 People I knew went and visited him in prison and talked about him being a

00:45:12.134 --> 00:45:15.825 friend, talked about him being a massage enthusiast.

00:45:16.065 --> 00:45:21.585 It made no sense to me that this person who was being accused of some form of

00:45:21.585 --> 00:45:26.865 pedophilia was being treated, uh, very differently than I would have imagined by

00:45:26.865 --> 00:45:28.904 people that I very much respected at the time.

00:45:30.045 --> 00:45:34.425 I didn't understand what was going on, but I started to formulate a second theory,

00:45:34.485 --> 00:45:38.205 and I haven't heard it discussed much in the media, so I'll share it with you now.

00:45:39.375 --> 00:45:44.235 The idea is that if you buy the idea that Jeffrey Epstein was in fact a construct of

00:45:44.235 --> 00:45:48.255 the intelligence community, my belief is, is that he was constructed to be a

00:45:48.255 --> 00:45:50.115 sapiosexual Hugh Hefner.

00:45:51.285 --> 00:45:52.035 In some sense.

00:45:52.035 --> 00:45:54.075 He was the Dan Bilzerian of his day.

00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:59.520 That is somebody who is not interested in a little girls, but is instead interested

00:45:59.520 --> 00:46:05.190 in young women, women over the age of consent, uh, who by law have every right

00:46:05.250 --> 00:46:09.870 to associate with whoever they wish to and, uh, can engage in consensual

00:46:09.870 --> 00:46:10.560 relations.

00:46:10.710 --> 00:46:11.910 Now, you may frown upon it.

00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:13.080 You may look down upon it.

00:46:13.350 --> 00:46:18.270 You may say that it's an abusive power, uh, for a man in his forties, 50s, what

00:46:18.270 --> 00:46:22.290 have you to be cavorting with some person above the age of consent.

00:46:22.995 --> 00:46:27.375 However, I don't take the same exact view of it that I take, uh, the view of

00:46:27.375 --> 00:46:29.415 somebody going below the age of consent.

00:46:29.805 --> 00:46:34.694 So in the era of me too, we have a different situation in which people are

00:46:34.694 --> 00:46:36.015 very uncomfortable.

00:46:36.075 --> 00:46:41.765 Even talking about, uh, the legal situation in which, uh, women in their

00:46:41.765 --> 00:46:42.404 early twenties.

00:46:42.665 --> 00:46:46.984 Who may be trying to wield sexual power or contending with men who may be trying to

00:46:46.984 --> 00:46:48.875 wield political or economic power.

00:46:49.384 --> 00:46:54.004 And that's an issue that I don't have a particular interest in settling, but

00:46:54.004 --> 00:46:58.025 whatever it is, it's very different than somebody sending people to a high school

00:46:58.174 --> 00:47:01.384 to find 15 year old girls or 14 year old girls.

00:47:01.890 --> 00:47:04.859 For erotic massages or prostitution or what have you.

00:47:05.370 --> 00:47:09.660 So my belief was in effect, that the intelligence community that may have

00:47:09.660 --> 00:47:14.325 constructed Jeffrey Epstein was constructing him to be a sapiosexual Hugh

00:47:14.325 --> 00:47:19.020 Hefner, but that they had stupidly, stupidly, and mistakenly hired somebody

00:47:19.259 --> 00:47:23.310 who was actually closer, uh, to Humbert Humbert as an actor.

00:47:23.669 --> 00:47:28.290 That is the underlying actor playing the role of Jeffrey Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein,

00:47:28.439 --> 00:47:29.700 hedge fund genius.

00:47:30.210 --> 00:47:34.140 Was in fact, someone with a pedophilia problem that was probably not known to the

00:47:34.140 --> 00:47:37.740 intelligence community when it constructed the project, which I believe would have

00:47:37.740 --> 00:47:41.640 had to have dated from the eighties or nineties when Jeffrey Epstein first

00:47:41.640 --> 00:47:47.310 started, uh, amassing his network of, uh, high profile contacts under this

00:47:47.310 --> 00:47:52.680 mysterious reputation as a one of a kind financial genius.

00:47:53.580 --> 00:47:58.830 As a result, that would explain a great deal of why people's intuition was wildly

00:47:58.830 --> 00:48:03.480 off about Jeff people who did not have a problem with an older, rich man.

00:48:04.050 --> 00:48:08.970 Uh, going after young women above the age of consent were suddenly forced to contend

00:48:08.970 --> 00:48:13.740 with the question of, was this person secretly interested in women below the age

00:48:13.740 --> 00:48:16.830 of consent and perhaps considerably below the age of consent.

00:48:17.490 --> 00:48:21.720 So this went to some of the way towards explaining that, but I've had another

00:48:21.720 --> 00:48:25.560 issue that I've tried to talk to people about, which I also think figures into

00:48:25.560 --> 00:48:26.430 this story.

00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:30.270 Why was Jeffrey Epstein so focused on science?

00:48:30.930 --> 00:48:34.890 And in particular, why was he focused on heterodox science?

00:48:35.190 --> 00:48:38.190 Keep in mind, I'm just, I'm reading, I'm reading nothing.

00:48:38.190 --> 00:48:41.549 This is a completely ad lib, so just allow me to catch my breath

00:48:44.310 --> 00:48:45.270 in my theory.

00:48:45.450 --> 00:48:50.340 What I fear and what I believe is, is that the American scientific project.

00:48:50.925 --> 00:48:55.005 Has not understood that it has been abandoning its scientific assets.

00:48:55.035 --> 00:48:58.485 And if you look at my work, you can notice that this is a through line having nothing

00:48:58.485 --> 00:48:59.805 to do with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:49:00.645 --> 00:49:05.565 In effect, we have made it impossible for American scientists to profit using the

00:49:05.565 --> 00:49:10.785 market from their discoveries because we exclude fundamental discoveries from

00:49:10.785 --> 00:49:12.315 intellectual property protection.

00:49:13.365 --> 00:49:18.555 Therefore, you have a problem that when you make a discovery, it is both an IG, an

00:49:18.595 --> 00:49:19.305 excludable.

00:49:19.305 --> 00:49:22.815 If you share it in the scientific literature and inexhaustible, that is that

00:49:22.815 --> 00:49:26.685 anyone who discovers it can use it without precluding anyone else from discovery,

00:49:27.915 --> 00:49:28.455 from using it.

00:49:29.610 --> 00:49:30.120 Okay.

00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:35.010 When you have something that fits those twin criterion, then even free market

00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:40.050 economists will agree that it constitutes a public good, a failure of the market to

00:49:40.050 --> 00:49:42.690 keep value and price in lockstep.

00:49:43.350 --> 00:49:49.680 In essence, we pay for scientific research out of taxpayer dollars because the market

00:49:49.680 --> 00:49:51.120 cannot price it correctly.

00:49:51.795 --> 00:49:56.335 So you have something which I believe to be a fantastic value, including military

00:49:56.654 --> 00:50:01.815 value and potentially industrial value as it is translated from pure science into

00:50:01.815 --> 00:50:02.505 technology.

00:50:04.335 --> 00:50:09.255 However, for some reason the United States has been losing its appetite for funding,

00:50:09.675 --> 00:50:14.205 high level scientific research and protecting it with academic freedom as the

00:50:14.205 --> 00:50:16.365 university system goes into free fall.

00:50:16.935 --> 00:50:21.255 That is our university system is structured as a Ponzi scheme and after

00:50:21.255 --> 00:50:23.715 Vannevar Bush and the endless frontier doctrine.

00:50:24.375 --> 00:50:29.835 Forced us to do our blue sky research inside of universities rather than inside

00:50:29.835 --> 00:50:32.595 of research institutions dedicated to the purpose.

00:50:32.925 --> 00:50:34.695 We developed a weird problem.

00:50:35.205 --> 00:50:39.525 We would no longer be able to pay our scientists and use the fact that people

00:50:39.525 --> 00:50:44.625 could contribute the labor of their youth into a system where they would then become

00:50:44.625 --> 00:50:46.455 professors to train other professors.

00:50:46.485 --> 00:50:48.585 If each professor trained perhaps 20.

00:50:49.095 --> 00:50:51.794 Um, graduate students to become professors.

00:50:51.794 --> 00:50:55.995 You can tell that after a very short period of time, uh, you've got a pyramid

00:50:55.995 --> 00:51:01.515 scheme that can't keep expanding as we did in the postwar system where we educated

00:51:01.605 --> 00:51:06.495 sub 10% of our population at a postsecondary level to around 1970 or so

00:51:06.495 --> 00:51:11.444 when we were educating at around 50% of our population at a postsecondary level.

00:51:11.924 --> 00:51:14.924 So when the music stopped, the system started to decay.

00:51:15.130 --> 00:51:17.260 You had an extremely valuable system.

00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:23.140 I've said before that theoretical physics largely constructed our modern economy

00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:25.180 invented the world wide web.

00:51:25.420 --> 00:51:27.220 It invented the semiconductor.

00:51:27.550 --> 00:51:33.250 It gave us nuclear power, nuclear weapons, uh, our communications technology in the

00:51:33.250 --> 00:51:34.630 electromagnetic spectrum.

00:51:35.970 --> 00:51:40.050 So many of the things that we take for granted, including molecular biology, came

00:51:40.050 --> 00:51:41.430 out of theoretical physics.

00:51:41.940 --> 00:51:47.610 And so what I have liken this to is that the United States had something like a, a

00:51:47.790 --> 00:51:53.010 Ferrari convertible, and it left the top down so that it started getting filled up

00:51:53.010 --> 00:51:53.520 with rain.

00:51:53.520 --> 00:52:01.380 And it started scrawling steel me, uh, in Mandarin, Farsi, Russian on its front, uh,

00:52:01.410 --> 00:52:01.980 bonnet.

00:52:03.255 --> 00:52:05.655 We are not protecting our scientific assets.

00:52:05.655 --> 00:52:10.335 In fact, when Jeffrey Epstein came back out of prison, uh, I think, if I recall

00:52:10.335 --> 00:52:14.865 correctly, I tweeted that Jeffrey Epstein was somebody who was.

00:52:15.330 --> 00:52:18.450 Uh, funding what the American government refused to fund.

00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:24.330 And I recall if, if I'm not, uh, you're being too self kind that I said, welcome

00:52:24.330 --> 00:52:29.100 back with a period rather than an exclamation point because I was extremely

00:52:29.100 --> 00:52:31.799 dismayed that we are fundamentally leaving this open.

00:52:31.799 --> 00:52:34.830 We left a niche for such a person to start exploiting us.

00:52:35.580 --> 00:52:39.930 If Jeffrey Epstein was able to find this niche, then I believe that other nations

00:52:39.930 --> 00:52:41.279 will be able to find it as well.

00:52:42.405 --> 00:52:47.115 So what happened inside of the scientific enterprise is that many scientists had

00:52:47.115 --> 00:52:52.395 some memory from inside of the system when professors would in fact have potentially

00:52:52.395 --> 00:52:56.505 second homes or even third homes, where they would be paid at a level that was

00:52:56.505 --> 00:53:01.035 commensurate with finance, Sears, or high priced lawyers.

00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:07.170 That in essence, the children of academic families were growing up, uh, with the

00:53:07.170 --> 00:53:11.160 children of very well to do families because there wasn't such income and asset

00:53:11.160 --> 00:53:12.839 inequality in the United States.

00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:17.609 I believe that the need to pay the scientific community, particularly the top

00:53:17.609 --> 00:53:22.319 members of the scientific community at a far higher level, is not a question of

00:53:22.319 --> 00:53:23.460 taxpayer dollars.

00:53:23.895 --> 00:53:28.005 It's a question of, first of all, being fair to the community that created our

00:53:28.005 --> 00:53:28.515 economy.

00:53:28.515 --> 00:53:29.955 Those are not taxpayer dollars.

00:53:29.955 --> 00:53:31.905 They're scientific dollars, in my opinion.

00:53:32.385 --> 00:53:35.985 Uh, we can argue that at some other point, but it's also a question of national

00:53:35.985 --> 00:53:36.585 interest.

00:53:36.915 --> 00:53:42.615 That is, that is completely irresponsible for us to pretend that the market, uh, for

00:53:42.615 --> 00:53:46.425 scientific research talent should be determined by your ability to teach

00:53:46.455 --> 00:53:47.445 undergraduates.

00:53:47.835 --> 00:53:51.345 We should probably decouple the teaching and research enterprises.

00:53:51.870 --> 00:53:56.310 We should probably get rid of the majority of our research enterprise and we should

00:53:56.430 --> 00:54:01.650 take care of the people who are being power laws at a very high level for the

00:54:01.650 --> 00:54:02.670 national interest.

00:54:03.060 --> 00:54:06.450 It's not a question about a PA overpaying them.

00:54:06.450 --> 00:54:10.500 It's a question of we are leaving a valuable asset on guarded, and I believe

00:54:10.500 --> 00:54:15.630 that Jeffrey Epstein was attempting, uh, in part to gain control of that ass asset.

00:54:15.660 --> 00:54:17.820 That's why people like George Church.

00:54:18.134 --> 00:54:24.180 Or Robert Trevor's or Stephen Hawking, uh, or any one of a number of people like Lisa

00:54:24.180 --> 00:54:26.565 Randall were found on Jeffrey Epstein's Island.

00:54:26.745 --> 00:54:31.965 By the way, I think it's very important to stop using the fun phrases, pedophile

00:54:31.965 --> 00:54:36.795 Island and Lolita express when you have people who almost certainly are not part

00:54:36.795 --> 00:54:41.895 of any kind of orgiastic culture like Lisa Randall or Betsy divine, it's ridiculous.

00:54:42.405 --> 00:54:46.095 Uh, in part what we're doing is we're turning a salacious story into a very

00:54:46.095 --> 00:54:48.015 dangerous national emergency.

00:54:48.015 --> 00:54:52.755 If in fact, Jeffrey Epstein was up to something very different than the

00:54:52.755 --> 00:54:54.705 mainstream story would have you believe.

00:54:55.815 --> 00:55:00.435 So why is it that I am so disturbed by this and coming forward in this way?

00:55:00.735 --> 00:55:05.985 Well, there are a number of reasons, but one of the reasons is, is that I came to

00:55:06.075 --> 00:55:10.785 think about the following issue, uh, which I, I find potentially dispositive.

00:55:13.530 --> 00:55:18.990 I've started asking people who knew Jeffrey Epstein did the character you met,

00:55:19.050 --> 00:55:26.730 whoever that person was, impress you as being capable character logically of

00:55:26.730 --> 00:55:31.800 taking his own life out of desperation when he's still clearly had many cards to

00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:32.280 play.

00:55:32.910 --> 00:55:33.080 Yeah.

00:55:33.540 --> 00:55:37.020 Almost certainly had many secrets involving very powerful people.

00:55:38.339 --> 00:55:45.299 The man I met was so confident and so contemptuous of normal morality that I

00:55:45.299 --> 00:55:49.080 don't believe he was even bothered, particularly by the reputation of being a

00:55:49.080 --> 00:55:56.790 pedophile from his previous, uh, stay as a guest of, um, uh, of the state of Florida.

00:55:57.120 --> 00:56:00.750 I believe the Jeffrey Epstein in fact, was contemptuous.

00:56:01.814 --> 00:56:06.375 He thought it was ridiculous that he would be jailed for such a thing, and he thought

00:56:06.375 --> 00:56:11.805 that while it's a matter of petty morality for you and me, uh, to mull over, he

00:56:11.814 --> 00:56:15.075 simply had to make sure that he didn't run a foul of the system again.

00:56:15.645 --> 00:56:16.035 All right.

00:56:16.395 --> 00:56:21.765 Assume that I'm correct, that he was such a person who would laugh at the shame that

00:56:21.765 --> 00:56:23.085 others would bestow upon him.

00:56:25.305 --> 00:56:27.254 Then something very interesting happens.

00:56:28.080 --> 00:56:33.510 As you go down the various branches of the decision tree, you find that there has to

00:56:33.510 --> 00:56:35.610 be another unseen force.

00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:36.600 If this is true,

00:56:39.120 --> 00:56:40.410 is he dead or not dead?

00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:43.710 Well, I can put a small weight on the idea that he isn't even dead.

00:56:43.770 --> 00:56:45.840 Uh, people's deaths have been faked before.

00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:50.130 I don't think that that's what happened, but it's possible, uh, or he could be

00:56:50.130 --> 00:56:50.550 dead.

00:56:50.580 --> 00:56:53.730 Then he could be dead either by his own hand or the hand of another.

00:56:54.510 --> 00:56:55.980 Um, if he is dead.

00:56:56.520 --> 00:56:57.720 By his own hand.

00:56:57.720 --> 00:57:02.316 It could be an induced suicide as we saw a Sullivan was trying to induce in Martin

00:57:02.316 --> 00:57:06.360 Luther King, or it could be, uh, it has, uh, of his own hand.

00:57:06.390 --> 00:57:11.520 If, if his own hand, could it be out of fear, out of shame or out of a sense of

00:57:11.520 --> 00:57:17.340 duty to something more if he was in fact murdered, a whole would've had to been

00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:20.790 punched in the timeline so that somebody could have gotten to him or there would

00:57:20.790 --> 00:57:22.440 have to be a tremendous coincidence.

00:57:23.160 --> 00:57:30.840 That somehow he was left alone in a jail, which had not had a history of suicides in

00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:31.620 over a decade.

00:57:31.620 --> 00:57:37.950 If I recall correctly, in any of these branches of the decision tree, something

00:57:37.950 --> 00:57:42.690 is at play and something is at work unless you believe that somehow I have it wrong,

00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:47.040 and that people who knew Jeffrey Epstein would support the idea that he would take

00:57:47.040 --> 00:57:49.110 his own life out of fear or shame.

00:57:49.470 --> 00:57:54.480 Which I find essentially impossible given the character that he chose to project, or

00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:59.310 that the actor playing the financier and Wiz kid Jeffrey Epstein chose to protect

00:57:59.310 --> 00:57:59.760 project.

00:57:59.790 --> 00:58:04.470 To me, I've checked this with several people, and in general, everyone had the

00:58:04.470 --> 00:58:08.550 same impression that he was completely contemptuous of normal human beings with

00:58:08.550 --> 00:58:09.540 their petty morality.

00:58:13.545 --> 00:58:18.465 It is by the ability to work over all branches of the decision tree that I've

00:58:18.465 --> 00:58:23.175 gained confidence first that I started talking about this ages ago, and anybody

00:58:23.175 --> 00:58:27.795 who I've discussed Jeffrey Epstein with will remember me using the word construct

00:58:27.825 --> 00:58:28.605 even before.

00:58:29.279 --> 00:58:34.290 Um, he was arrested and jailed, uh, for solicitation, prostitution of minors.

00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:39.899 Uh, so I've been, I've been at this for 15 years, not knowing it was going to end

00:58:39.899 --> 00:58:40.500 like this.

00:58:41.339 --> 00:58:46.080 Um, I think many of us have tweeted out that if he was in fact, TA attached to the

00:58:46.080 --> 00:58:47.310 intelligence community.

00:58:47.549 --> 00:58:51.569 That he was going to have to die because otherwise these secrets would get out.

00:58:51.870 --> 00:58:55.799 And am I scared that I'm thinking about releasing this to the general public?

00:58:55.799 --> 00:58:58.979 Yes, but I'm also scared about not releasing this to the general public.

00:58:59.490 --> 00:59:03.930 My belief is that this was a poorly constructed operation, and that when it

00:59:03.930 --> 00:59:08.279 comes to light, which intelligence community it was, we are in danger of

00:59:08.399 --> 00:59:12.990 countries that I care a great deal about being thought to have constructed a

00:59:12.990 --> 00:59:15.089 pedophilic honeytrap.

00:59:15.540 --> 00:59:19.799 Using kompromat to use the Russian word for that, which would be used to control

00:59:19.799 --> 00:59:25.470 people in order to gain some sort of a geopolitical strategic advantage.

00:59:26.339 --> 00:59:34.109 Now, I am not of the opinion that, uh, Jeffrey Epstein, um, was a savory

00:59:34.109 --> 00:59:34.830 character.

00:59:35.190 --> 00:59:39.870 And I'm not saying that he didn't hire prostitutes or coerce women into orgies or

00:59:39.870 --> 00:59:43.470 what have you, but my guess is that at the moment.

00:59:43.935 --> 00:59:52.425 Um, he was not using that, uh, particular kink of his four children in order to

00:59:52.425 --> 00:59:57.945 enmesh, uh, scientists or other politicians as the news media sometimes

00:59:57.945 --> 01:00:02.055 hints that when it is not suggesting that he's simply dead by his own hand.

01:00:02.625 --> 01:00:07.485 In fact, I think it's extremely dangerous to think about this as being the decision

01:00:07.485 --> 01:00:08.205 of a country.

01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:10.770 Now, I'm not going to lie.

01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.720 I've thought that the country might be Israel, and as an American Jew who's lived

01:00:15.720 --> 01:00:19.080 in Israel, I don't think Israel came to this decision.

01:00:19.080 --> 01:00:24.060 If in fact he is a product of the, uh, Israeli intelligence network.

01:00:24.240 --> 01:00:27.180 In fact, this would be something that would be top secret.

01:00:27.210 --> 01:00:30.030 It would have been decided by a tiny number of individuals.

01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:36.180 And it is not right to take down in nation based upon the idea that you can't even do

01:00:36.180 --> 01:00:41.250 intelligence work because you can try of such a ridiculous idea as Jeffrey Epstein

01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:47.340 in order to gain kompromat and therefore control over influential people inside of

01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:48.030 another country.

01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:54.900 What I would believe is instead that this is a tiny program and that these people

01:00:54.900 --> 01:01:00.060 should come forward or that we should find them by reinitiating the church and pike

01:01:00.060 --> 01:01:00.780 commissions.

01:01:01.230 --> 01:01:07.140 There is now so much bizarre stuff of this kind that it is time to revisit the church

01:01:07.140 --> 01:01:12.330 and pike commissions of the mid 1970s to find out what our intelligence and other

01:01:12.330 --> 01:01:15.450 intelligence agencies may have been up to.

01:01:15.975 --> 01:01:21.345 We need something to restore our confidence and when, and if we find out

01:01:21.345 --> 01:01:26.835 that a foreign power has been operating in the U S perhaps with our consent or

01:01:26.835 --> 01:01:32.024 perhaps, uh, we are in fact gaining some benefit from an operation that we could

01:01:32.024 --> 01:01:34.305 not ourselves do post church and pike.

01:01:35.205 --> 01:01:39.975 I think what we would be do well to realize is, is that this situation.

01:01:40.815 --> 01:01:45.464 Is not the responsibility of any country, but the responsibility of people in the

01:01:45.464 --> 01:01:48.225 intelligence community who would have gone out of control.

01:01:48.915 --> 01:01:50.234 Now, do I know this to be true?

01:01:50.415 --> 01:01:51.375 Absolutely not.

01:01:51.795 --> 01:01:54.194 Am I infallible far from it?

01:01:54.225 --> 01:01:57.015 I wouldn't have shared with you that I was wrong about Bernie Madoff.

01:01:57.585 --> 01:02:01.575 Uh, in fact, if all of these conspiracy theories turned out to be exactly true,

01:02:01.605 --> 01:02:02.205 some of them.

01:02:02.550 --> 01:02:03.750 Still remained to be proven.

01:02:04.680 --> 01:02:08.610 But what I've tried to do is to try to talk to you about the idea that I don't

01:02:08.610 --> 01:02:11.100 think that the story is being fully explored.

01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:15.510 I'm extremely dismayed that over a very brief period of time, we went from

01:02:15.510 --> 01:02:21.780 suggesting that, uh, Jeffrey Epstein was allegedly dead by his own hand, to

01:02:21.780 --> 01:02:27.840 believing the medical examiners report as if this was a conclusive, in fact, the

01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.080 charge that he might've been murdered with.

01:02:31.640 --> 01:02:35.400 Uh, an understanding of the powers that be, that controlled the correctional

01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:40.560 facility in which he was housed, includes the charge that the medical examiners

01:02:40.560 --> 01:02:42.509 report would likely have been doctored.

01:02:42.839 --> 01:02:44.430 That's not an additional charge.

01:02:44.430 --> 01:02:49.740 You wouldn't murder somebody if the report would conclusively show murder, uh, unless

01:02:49.740 --> 01:02:53.670 you actually knew that you had enough control over the system to control it all.

01:02:54.089 --> 01:02:57.420 Furthermore, there has to be a facility that keeps local.

01:02:57.825 --> 01:03:03.045 Law enforcement, local medical officer from stumbling over something of high

01:03:03.045 --> 01:03:03.525 value.

01:03:03.915 --> 01:03:07.815 You couldn't responsibly run the intelligence community, which has to be

01:03:07.815 --> 01:03:14.145 able to carry out covert operations operations that are disturbing operations,

01:03:14.265 --> 01:03:20.745 that are effective, uh, without constantly fearing that low level law enforcement and

01:03:20.745 --> 01:03:22.395 low-level medical examiners.

01:03:22.770 --> 01:03:24.899 Could blow the whole thing sky high.

01:03:25.319 --> 01:03:30.180 Now, whatever the facility is that keeps our high level intelligence work safe from

01:03:30.180 --> 01:03:33.959 low level enforcement could easily have been operative.

01:03:34.259 --> 01:03:37.560 I don't mean to suggest that it was only that.

01:03:37.560 --> 01:03:40.589 It is not reasonable to suggest that it is crazy.

01:03:41.190 --> 01:03:45.690 To assume that the medical examiner could be induced to file a report to sub

01:03:45.710 --> 01:03:48.180 support, a, uh, an official narrative.

01:03:48.630 --> 01:03:51.240 It is time to return to investigative journalism.

01:03:51.240 --> 01:03:51.930 We can trust.

01:03:51.990 --> 01:03:57.030 It is time to return to committees of the house and Senate that have the power to

01:03:57.030 --> 01:03:58.200 investigate these things.

01:03:58.200 --> 01:04:02.070 And it is long past due that the intelligence services be revisited.

01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:06.530 If they in fact, have very little to hide, then this shouldn't really be a big

01:04:06.530 --> 01:04:07.070 problem.

01:04:07.160 --> 01:04:12.140 But at the moment, the American people have lost full confidence, uh, in our

01:04:12.140 --> 01:04:15.890 ability to get to the bottom of truths as to whether foreign countries are meddling

01:04:15.890 --> 01:04:16.220 in our.

01:04:16.680 --> 01:04:21.270 A national elections as to whether foreign countries are using their ability to send

01:04:21.270 --> 01:04:25.950 graduate students into the STEM pipeline to spy on us as to whether foreign

01:04:25.950 --> 01:04:30.509 countries are using our tech platforms, uh, in order to help them with their

01:04:30.509 --> 01:04:32.880 military advantage over the United States.

01:04:33.570 --> 01:04:38.490 Now I really don't want to come back to the Jeffrey Epstein story.

01:04:39.150 --> 01:04:40.590 So what I'm saying to you is.

01:04:40.935 --> 01:04:44.985 It's quite possible that Jeffrey Epstein is simply dead by his own hand, that he

01:04:44.985 --> 01:04:49.545 was a pervy billionaire or near billionaire who had an interest in

01:04:49.545 --> 01:04:50.175 science.

01:04:50.595 --> 01:04:56.625 And also, uh, an interest in young women that ranged from women of prepped of, uh,

01:04:56.835 --> 01:05:03.375 age 23 down either to 18, 15, 12, what have you, maybe the official story is

01:05:03.375 --> 01:05:03.645 true.

01:05:05.535 --> 01:05:11.055 All I'm trying to suggest is, is that for some reason I picked this one person to

01:05:11.055 --> 01:05:13.035 tell a 15 year story about that.

01:05:13.035 --> 01:05:17.025 I believed he was an intelligence construct of probably another country

01:05:17.055 --> 01:05:20.865 operating in the center of the United States elite.

01:05:21.615 --> 01:05:26.115 And I believe that that is an additional piece of information because there's no

01:05:26.115 --> 01:05:28.215 one else that I've been telling the story about.

01:05:28.515 --> 01:05:30.525 I've never met another person like this.

01:05:30.975 --> 01:05:35.535 This is a completely Sui, generous exception to my general, uh, understanding

01:05:35.535 --> 01:05:36.165 of the world.

01:05:36.194 --> 01:05:40.484 And I think if I am correct that there was something very much a miss, that it was

01:05:40.515 --> 01:05:45.884 obviously a miss obvious to anybody who wished to see it just as a, the world

01:05:45.884 --> 01:05:49.274 clearly closed their eyes to Jeffrey Epstein's problems.

01:05:49.634 --> 01:05:53.895 Uh, when it was found that he was asking for massages from underage girls in

01:05:53.895 --> 01:05:57.524 Florida, somebody was turning a blind eye.

01:05:58.020 --> 01:06:02.460 Towards the story almost certainly because it was too salacious not to be

01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:03.030 interesting.

01:06:03.030 --> 01:06:06.720 It's the kind of a story that would move, uh, newspapers.

01:06:06.720 --> 01:06:09.270 It would, uh, sell advertising spots.

01:06:09.510 --> 01:06:13.200 It's far too juicy for people to take this little of an interest in.

01:06:14.130 --> 01:06:17.550 And I want to say one last thing about this.

01:06:18.450 --> 01:06:18.960 Um.

01:06:19.950 --> 01:06:25.260 Jeffrey Epstein was in meshed with a guy named John Brockman, who was a guy who in

01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:28.230 some sense gave me my first break on a larger stage.

01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:34.035 It is commonly believed at the moment by certain members of the media that John

01:06:34.035 --> 01:06:35.400 Brockman was complicit.

01:06:36.045 --> 01:06:42.705 In the underage, uh, behavior, uh, underage interest that, uh, Jeff Epstein

01:06:42.705 --> 01:06:43.935 showed in young girls.

01:06:44.505 --> 01:06:49.395 The one thing I can add is, is that I met John Brockman and his wife Katinka Mattson

01:06:49.875 --> 01:06:54.944 at Stuart brand's interval bar sometime in the last, I don't know, one to three

01:06:54.944 --> 01:06:55.455 years.

01:06:57.194 --> 01:07:02.355 And when John and I sat down, I can tell you with certainty that John warned me.

01:07:02.715 --> 01:07:07.425 That he'd had an interaction with Jeffrey that he had found very disturbing, and

01:07:07.455 --> 01:07:12.975 that John had been forced to walk out of his house, realizing that Jeffrey Epstein

01:07:12.975 --> 01:07:15.765 had had a problem and John has not come forward.

01:07:15.765 --> 01:07:19.725 And I don't know that there's anybody else in a position to tell this story, but I

01:07:19.725 --> 01:07:24.705 can say with some certainty that John was not happy about this and that if John was

01:07:24.705 --> 01:07:30.555 in fact, a tolerant of a Hugh Hefner style person, the person I met.

01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.565 For no re had no reason to say this to me was certainly not okay with Jeffrey

01:07:35.565 --> 01:07:40.170 Epstein was in fact warning me away from him, and I had no interest in, in seeing

01:07:40.170 --> 01:07:41.160 Jeffrey at that point.

01:07:41.700 --> 01:07:47.520 So I do wish to say that I think that the, uh, conspiracy theorizing that I'm seeing

01:07:47.520 --> 01:07:49.800 is of a lower quality and a lower level.

01:07:50.190 --> 01:07:54.870 Of course, if you want, I could find out that the entire edge network is somehow.

01:07:55.365 --> 01:07:57.045 Uh, at risk and implicated.

01:07:57.045 --> 01:08:01.065 But I can say as somebody on the very periphery, I wrote no books for John.

01:08:01.065 --> 01:08:02.565 I didn't go to the billionaires dinners.

01:08:02.565 --> 01:08:04.755 I never went to this Island and never flew in the plane.

01:08:04.755 --> 01:08:07.695 I met him once and I had a phone call with him afterwards.

01:08:09.075 --> 01:08:14.565 I can tell you that, um, I don't personally believe that John Brockman was,

01:08:14.745 --> 01:08:20.024 uh, caught up in this at the level that is now being alleged by certain members of

01:08:20.024 --> 01:08:24.975 the press who I feel, uh, are perhaps not as responsible as they might anyway.

01:08:25.545 --> 01:08:27.975 Um, that's more or less what I have to say on the subject.

01:08:27.975 --> 01:08:33.404 And with this, I intend to, to the extent possible exit the Jeffrey Epstein

01:08:33.404 --> 01:08:34.455 conspiracy business.

01:08:34.814 --> 01:08:35.805 You've been through the portal.

01:08:36.224 --> 01:08:36.885 Thanks for joining us.